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Let's not get fooled again

Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 12:56:33 PM PDT

Back in 2000, the media presented us with two very clear images of the presidential candidates. George W. Bush was a regular guy who'd be fun to hang around with. Al Gore, on the other hand, was a pretentious bore -- preachy, self-important, and generally not somebody you'd want to spend any time with.

Looking back, those images seem pretty ridiculous. Which raises the question: Is it happening again this year? Are lazy journalists fitting the facts into simplistic narratives that lack any foundation in reality?

Yeah, pretty much. I'm hardly a bosom buddy of Obama, Clinton, or McCain. But I took advantage of living in New Hampshire to watch them fairly closely, and I see some definite gaps between reality and the media narratives that have formed around each of them.

[adapted from The Weekly Sift, a new blog]

Obama. Here's the media narrative about Barack Obama: He's an inspiring speaker, but he lacks substance. His way with words is all fuzzy abstraction that masks his lack of detailed understanding.

The "inspiring speaker" part is true. But I saw him answer questions at a rally last summer, and his command of details is as good as anybody's. And if you chase the links on the issues page of Obama's web site, you'll find quite a bit of detailed policy commitment. His health care plan, for example, is a lot more specific than John McCain's -- even though McCain has been able to exploit the media narrative by saying: "To encourage a country with only rhetoric rather than sound and proven ideas ... is not a promise of hope. It is a platitude."

So Wednesday when Obama gave a speech in Janesville, Wisconsin specifically to outline his economic plan, it should have been a man-bites-dog moment, right? If you had the expertise and resources of, say, the New York Times or the Washington Post, think of the service you could offer your readers: You could examine his proposals in detail, get experts to assess whether they would help anybody, figure out what they'd cost, and so on. Readers aren't set up to do that kind of analysis for themselves -- and neither am I, to tell the truth (at least I provide the links) -- but you're a big news organization. It's right up your alley.

Well, maybe not. The Post sort of mentioned that Obama had made some economic proposals, but their article was totally focused on the political tactics behind the proposals: the up-coming Wisconsin primary, Clinton's advantage with working class voters, and on and on. If you want to know what Obama actually proposed, good luck to you. (Matt Yglesias took the Post to task here.) Ditto for the Times: They note that Obama is "adding detail to his oratory", but they treat "detail" as an ingredient, like salt. You don't need to know what the details are, just that he's adding them. And of course, you get a long tactical analysis about why he's adding details and what he hopes they'll do for him with certain kinds of voters.

Here's the upshot: Obama can spell out as much as he wants, but if the Times and the Post are sitting between him and the voters, nothing's going to get through. And even if you're a faithful reader of both the Post and the Times, when the guy in the next cubicle at work says: "That Obama -- he sounds good, but there's nothing there" you won't know enough to argue.

Clinton. In the musical 1776 John Adams doesn't want his personal unpopularity to sink the cause of independence. So he goes from one member of his committee to the next, looking for someone else to write the proposed Declaration. After several rebuffs, he approaches Robert Livingston.

ADAMS:
Mr. Livingston, maybe you should write it.
You have many friends, and you're a diplomat.

FRANKLIN: Oh, that word!

ADAMS:
Whereas if I'm the one to do it,
They'll run their quill pens through it.

CHORUS OF COMMITTEE:
He's obnoxious and disliked.
Did you know that?

LIVINGSTON: I hadn't heard.

Today, you'd have to be as diplomatic as Robert Livingston to claim you hadn't heard this about Hillary Clinton: She's unlikeable. She's cold and calculating and doesn't care about anything but power. Even her supporters don't like her. Women vote for her because she's a woman. Men support her because they have something to gain out of the Clintons' return to power, or because they're racists who don't like Obama, or because they're afraid she's going to win anyway so they want to get on her good side.

Now, I can't claim to have spent quality time with Hillary Clinton. But when I did see her in person at a New Hampshire Democratic Party dinner last March, I didn't find any support for the stereotype. She seemed quite likable to me, and I found one particular part of her message very moving: She talked about all the people who are invisible to the Bush administration, and she promised that as president she would see them.

I've talked to some of those older women who are Hillary's primary base of support. (My mom is one.) You know what? They like her. They don't just support her because she's a woman. They support her because they know the kind of crap a woman has to take to succeed in a man's field. Those women see Hillary sailing through the crap-storm with her head high, and they just admire the heck out of her.

McCain. Clinton supporters often claim that Hillary gets bad coverage because a strong woman threatens the manhood of male pundits like Chris Matthews. They're missing the bigger story: John McCain gets good coverage because he threatens the manhood of male pundits like Chris Matthews.

I feel something similar myself. Like most of the male talking heads on TV, I live in safety and comfort. My physical courage, my ability to think clearly when threatened, that whole Hemingway grace-under-pressure thing -- it's never really been tested. Given the chance, would I be a hero? Would I scream and faint like a little girl? Nobody knows, least of all me.

The intimidating thing about John McCain is that he's been tested and he passed. He knows. That gives him an alpha-dog aura that makes untested men want to follow him around like puppies. When he called on me during the question period at his town-hall meeting, I felt a little thrill that I normally don't. I felt honored. It's irrational, but very effective.

That's why McCain's media narrative is so positive: He's the straight talker. The maverick. The guy who says what he thinks and follows his conscience.

The truth -- and this really shouldn't be so controversial -- is that he's a politician. Not an outstandingly devious or dishonest one, but still a politician. When his target voters don't like one of his positions, he changes it or soft-pedals it or somehow makes it go away. Brave New Films put together a collection of his flip-flops. But you know, the striking thing about those waffles and self-contradictions is how ordinary they are. If not for the straight-talk myth, they wouldn't be noteworthy.

He's also not that much of a maverick. He has made a few independent noises over the past seven years, but when it comes time to vote he gets in line with all the other Republicans. This week he even backed down on his signature issue: torture. But again, that shouldn't shock anybody. There are no Republican mavericks. The breed is extinct.

The one downside of McCain's image -- his temper -- is also overblown. What strikes me about McCain's temper is that he gets over it. No campaign in recent memory was as nasty as the one Bush ran against McCain in South Carolina in 2000. But McCain has put it behind him. (A questioner took him to task for this at the town meeting I attended. McCain shot right back: The American people care about issues and getting things done; they don't want to hear about his ancient feuds.) He made up with Jerry Falwell. He even went back to Vietnam. Try to imagine George W. Bush doing anything similar. If you piss off W, you can go to Hell; he's done with you. McCain isn't like that.

Conclusion. Truthfully, I think the primary voters could have done a lot worse in picking our three finalists. There was never any chance I was going to vote Republican in this election, but I think McCain is as close to a reasonable candidate as we could have hoped for from that party. (Rudy scared the crap out of me.) And even though I was for Edwards, I'll happily vote for either Obama or Clinton.

But we're going to have to keep watching these baseless narratives. The closer we can keep to Reality, the more of an advantage we'll have.

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  •  What sort of a Straight Talker (7+ / 0-)

    would hug the guy responsible for smearing his wife and child with the vilest lies imagineable?

    Every real man I know would deck the son of a bitch, not hug him.

  •  Beyond Narratives, and beyond team spirit.... (16+ / 0-)

    Excellent diary, that will probably sink quickly because it takes to long to read, and by the time you do, several cheerleading diaries will have surfaced on this site.

    False narratives, when they obfuscate issues, are certainly a problem.  But all the candidated contribute to this by having proposals that are inherently populist pandering.

    I've written several in the last weeks, criticizing both Clinton and Obama for unrealistic, and at times, unconstitutional proposals.  Obama's in the health care without mandates, and Clinton for proposing to rewrite private mortgage terms, something that is unconstitutional.

    Often on this site, and more importantly, in the country, once a choice is made, often on unrealistic or subliminal reasons, then you just want your team, your candidate, to win.  Anything that is negative is seen as a few yards for the other team and you are unhappy.

    Governance of this country, at this time, is a monumental challenge.  I saw McCain on ABC on Sunday where he said if the economy improves he will cut taxes some more.  He was oblivious to the coming demographic time bomb of Baby Boomers using Medicare.

    But realism doesn't win elections.  Maybe it never did.  But in this era of 30 second sound bites, a serious discussion with the electorate would be suicide.

    I find it quite sad, but I have no answer.

  •  John McCain and an open mind (2+ / 0-)

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    You know, I didn't know much about John McCain except the "media narrative."  I got curious last night and read his entire entry on Wikipedia.  And you know what?  I was pretty darn impressed.  (I'm no Republican shill, I'm an Obama supporter.)

    I think if we're going to ask people to "see beyond" the media narrative of Obama and Hillary, then we need to see beyond OUR narrative of McCain.  He is not just "the hug."  Yes, he's a Republican, yes, he says he supports the Bush tax cuts, I know, I know.  No, I won't vote for him.  

    But I defy you to read the Wikipedia article and not at least feel that the man is an actual human being.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    •  Every time I see "the hug"... (4+ / 0-)

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      ...posted on a Democratic website, I am reminded that John McCain has limited ability to lift his arms because of the physical abuse he suffered as a POW. I will decline to express my opinion of the snide comments that invariably accompany the photo, or the people who post them.

      •  See, me too. (2+ / 0-)

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        I guess I am sympathetic to him because my dad is also a Vietnam vet (not a POW, just a vet) and I can see some of my dad in him.

        I was also very impressed by the part of the Wikipedia article I posted talking about his work with John Kerry on the Vietnam POW issue.  It says McCain really came around and came to respect Kerry even though they were on different sides of the Vietnam question -- and it said something I didn't know, that Kerry asked McCain to run as his VP.  McCain is just not the type of intransigent buffoon Bush is.

        •  Intransigent buffoon? (0+ / 0-)

          I wouldn't know. But I don't have much confidence in the kind of Supreme Court nominees he would put forth.

          Here's my McCain narrative: he's a Republican, f'geddabout him. Everything else is just a detail.

        •  The tragedy of McCain (3+ / 0-)

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          and the horror, is that there's a part of him that's one hell of a lot better than he's been in recent years.  Today's McCain is not the McCain of 10 years ago before he got the presidential wannabe disease so bad.

          GWBush is such a corrupt idiot, he literally doesn't know any better.  McCain DOES know better, and that's what makes his words and behavior these days unforgivable, IMHO.  To use an old-fashioned cliche, he's sold his soul to the devil.

          In a lot of ways, that actually makes him worse than Bush as a human being.

          •  what about McCain's POW/MIA legislation record? (0+ / 0-)

            I'll admit, I first read about this in disinfo's book "You Are Being Lied To", so I took it with a grain of salt.  But I have since seen further evidence that there might be something behind Sidney Schanberg's claims that McCain essentially lead the senatorial charge for closing active POW/MIA files in the early '90s.  He has never really explained his reasoning for doing so, either - just one day up and declared there were no more.

            I am not suggesting the McCain deserves the "swift-boat" treatment.  NO ONE deserves that.  I'm an army brat and a pacifist, and I think it's important to distinguish between protesting a military policy and the need to take care of those who fight to protect us.  Still, I think McCain has some questions that he needs to answer in his role as a Senator.  He's not quite as "straight talk" as he would like us to believe.

            Oh - and as a wiki editor with some insight into how wikiality functions, I always like to see if a pol's page is being "managed": wikiscanner.  only a couple of overtly gov offices, doesn't seem out of the ordinary.  but I still tend to treat these pages with much more skepticism that anything else in the enwp.

  •  Pericles's book review (1+ / 0-)

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    It was on this diary, about Paul Krugman's "Conscience of a Liberal"

    Great book, great review.

    I just finished it, (O.K. Three hours on an overstuffed Barnes and Nobles Chair) and concur with his/your review, with some additions.

    He did mention race, specifically our history of slavery and the caste system that followed.  Most of the advanced countries that have universal health care, are less hetorgenious than us, or at least were when they implimented it.

    It's easier to want to take care of distant cousins, when that is what the nation is.  So the Cadilac driving welfare queens had potency because there was just enough truth, even if a small number, that struck a chord.

    What Krugman ignores are things such as race normed federal hiring practices, which existed under the Clinton administration.  So a white guy, just as deserving, doesn't get the secure civil service position even if he scored higher than an African American.

    These seems unfair, and it is to the individual who must drive a cab instead of having a secure desk job, even if it is justified by history.  Krugman makes light of this aspect, focusing on the nefariousness of the plutocrats.

    The super rich getting richer is almost an unintended consequence of some of these factors. Also Americans are getting, for lack of a better word, dumber.  We are easier to manipulate by just calling the estate tax a death tax.

    Sadly, the Democrats are leaning to play by the same rules.  When mindless slogans wins elections then that is what politics is reduced to.

    This leaves us without a party of intellectuals. And while I don't want to be guilty of what he calls "broderism" where there is no difference in morality of the two parties, we are approaching this in this election.

    Democrats are no more willing to talk about the true costs of universal health care, than are republicans to talk about the costs of their tax cuts.  It's illusion against illusion.

    And I find it cause for despair.

  •  i don't like mccain, but (2+ / 0-)

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    i agree about him being the only one in the debates that even sounded like he live in America. those other folks? McCain holds the views of people I might encounter in everyday life, the rest of the field was pandering to now discredited far right lunacy.

    ...and some marched, and some sat-in, and some were beaten, and some went to jail, and some died for freedom's cause. That's what hope is. -Barack Obama

    by phukhotfashion on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 01:49:21 PM PDT

  •  congrats on being rescued (2+ / 0-)

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    thanks for writing.

    i find mccain to be disingenuous.  

    and i don't trust the media with candidate depictions either.  

  •  great diary (5+ / 0-)

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    thanks for reminding everyone that the filters we consume our news through obscure every candidate and not just our own. I wonder, is McCain disliked by everyday Republican conservatives as much as he is disliked by talk radio and conservative operatives? If the distain for McCain is vastly overblown than perhaps we are underestimating how difficult he will be to beat.

    when fear disappears, it's amazing what's possible

    by thoughtfulquestioning on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 08:23:42 PM PDT

    •  Everyday Republican conservatives (2+ / 0-)

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      aren't the problem in this election, it's everyday low-information moderate Republicans and independents, to whom McCain is very, very appealing.

      Both HRC and Obama have huge disadvantages against him in the general, Obama just as much as Clinton by virtue of his inexperience and total lack of national security credentials of any kind and his distaste for the fight. If he wins, as is likely, McCain will make mincemeat of him in debates and advertising.

      Be prepared for that.  It won't be pretty.  McCain is a liar, but the MSM won't tell the voters that, and if you don't know the background, what he says often seems reasonable.  Hillary can totally cope with McCain.  What she can't cope with is that 30-some percent of the public that hates her for no good reason-- plus the hissy fit the young Obama supporters will throw if she pulls it out for the nomination.

      As far as I'm concerned, HRC and Obama are about equal in electability versus McCain, but I'd give the edge to Hillary as a street fighter.  That is, if her clearly incompetent campaign can figure out what it needs to do, which I have no confidence about.

      Obama had better know he won't succeed against McCain by floating above the fray and talking solely about meta-themes of hope and change and unity.  McCain would murder him.

      •  in the debates (0+ / 0-)

        Obama wins if he can make the issue: "Was the Iraq War a good idea? And should we have more such wars in the future? If you think so, you should vote for my opponent."

        This is where McCain's "there will be more wars" quote will come back to bite him.

  •  The MSM seems quite content (6+ / 0-)

    To push stereotypes rather than helping to debunk them.  It's really discouraging to think that most folks believe they're hearing 'news' rather than gossip.  Newspapers are a little better but you have to read the entire article rather than just the headlines.  Even on the web, you really have to work to find the facts.

    I'm amazed at the number of people on dkos that repeat rumors as if they are facts, or are too lazy to do any research.  

    For example, there are plenty of sources for Obama's substantive policy positions, but even his supposed supporters sometimes complain that he lacks substance.  Besides the policy papers on his website, some of the best material I've seen is in the videos of his interviews with newspaper editorial boards.  There's a reason that he's getting a LOT of endorsements.  The man talks good sense and has a problem solving approach that will likely get results.

    Here's one example - take a listen:
    http://www.brightcove.tv/...

    I'm looking forward to November 5th, 2008

    by susanWAstate on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 08:44:09 PM PDT

    •  I agree, good diary. My impressions with meeting (4+ / 0-)

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      the candidates in early NH rallies were very different from anything I read or saw reported in the news. I actually thought Hillary was much warmer, gracious and accessible than either Edwards or Obama. She stayed and chatted with everyone, signed every thing anyone handed her including a kids hand. She was sweet and brilliant. I had three seperate conversations with her. One about SCHIP and the problem we have getting the final 5% of resistant parents to sign their kids up. We talked about ways to handle that problem and she thanked me for my ideas. (I'm a nurse). We also talked about predatory lending, payday advance places and school loans. I knew she had done work on the school loan interest rates but she had not been talking about it on her stump. We also talked about trade and globalization. After that rally I noticed she mentioned the predatory lending problem quite a bit. She listens.
      Barack and I talked about the Donnie McClurkin concert (the ex gay preacher)and I told him the blogs were writng about it and that he lost GLBT support and money and that we were pissed. (This was in early December.) He did not take it well. He kept saying over and over "It was just one concert" and "look at my record" I told him he needed to apologize and say something about it in public and never sell us out to get evangelical vote again. He just kept saying it was on concert. I felt he was a bit snotty, petulant and not very gracious.
      So, the unlikeable thing is a mystery to me. She was a sweetheart as warm a person as I've ever been around. And he was frankly arrogant and unapologetic, he seemed to be insulted that I brouhg to him something I thought was a mistake. He did not apologize in any way.
      Edwards was a sweetie by the way, very kind about LGBT issues and kissed me.

      poverty,poverty,poverty...the real enemy the democratic party should be fighting

      by Lisactal on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 10:56:09 PM PDT

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      •  I remember Howard (2+ / 0-)

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        Back in 2003 I went to my first Howard Dean rally expecting what the media told me to expect: the angry anti-war candidate. His speech was full of hope and optimism, and the war part of the speech was less than five minutes. I went away thinking that he must be trying to change his image.

        Then I read a newspaper account of the speech. The only quote was about the war, and it sounded angry in that context. That was when I started to think something was up.

        This year, I should have gone to an actual Clinton rally rather than just the 100-Club dinner, where there weren't questions afterward. But when I've seen Hillary answer questions on C-SPAN, the word that came to my mind was "gracious". There's a real mental discipline to making time stop for a minute and treating this question as the most important thing you need to be doing right now.

    •  The problem with Obama (1+ / 0-)

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      isn't that he lacks substantive policy positionss, it's that he's not campaiging on them.  You sipmly can't expect the masses of American voters to go look this stuff up on a Web site.

      If, as seems likely, he wins on the basis of this ethereal campaign he's been running, he will have absolutely no mandate for anything because he hasn't campaigned on anything substantive.

      Everybody sees in Obama what they want to see.

      •  as opposed to ... (0+ / 0-)

        I can't see that any campaign is building a mandate for action right now.

        Take Iraq. The three candidates arouse different emotions about the war, but I couldn't tell you what orders any of them will give when they take office. Obama or Clinton might end up escalating. McCain might declare victory and come home. It's a mystery.

        Obama and Clinton both are campaigning that we need to do something about health care and let the Bush tax cuts expire to pay for it. That's about as specific a plan as comes through unless you go the web sites.

        •  Hillary gave lots of specifics on health care and (0+ / 0-)

          many other topics in her stump. She lists point after point on her plans. That is what I think leads to the conclusion that she is boring and he is inspiring. He has started to give more specific policy points, at least in the speech I saw yesterday in WI.

          poverty,poverty,poverty...the real enemy the democratic party should be fighting

          by Lisactal on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 08:22:26 AM PDT

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  •  This is the studied, thoughtful, reasonable (5+ / 0-)

    approach we should practice this season. Esp after 8 years under a disaster the majority wanted to "have a beer with".  

  •  Can you tell more about other candidates? (0+ / 0-)

    Like Romney and Edwards?

    Best Diary of the Year? http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/23/03912/3990

    by LNK on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 09:00:33 PM PDT

    •  Edwards was very upbeat at both rallies (5+ / 0-)

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      in NH when I saw him. He signed my photos. He was engaged, answered a million questions from people. He answers questions very well better I think than Barack. He has that Bill CLinton ability to get at what it is the person is really asking on a human level instead of just dum[ping the stump answer out which is what Barack did at the rally I went to. BO was very canned at that one. Myfriends and I wondered together how it was that the rock star thing was already starting and he just gave a medicre kind of cambridge lawyer stump speech, all the lofty ideas and hope stuff, but flat. The crowd of crusty NH folks were not all that excited by it so I guess he didn't feed from us. I felt we were looking for specific policy and got the same old campaign promises of change that don't translate into action. Prior to his rally my pal and I had his signs in the yard. After him, then Hillary the next week we switched to her. Much more cohesive and fact and policy packed speech from her. It was night and day.Edwards was in the middle, specific propsals and the populist fighter rhetoric.
      Met Edwards parents and all the kids, Cate and the two little ones. Very sweet family.
      Met Chelsea, she was still not talking much on the trail, she signed my book and said Hi that's all.
      Went to one of Bill's appearances. It was a very intense lecture on modern politics, he had everyone's attention, could hear a pin drop. The man is so intelligent it is boggling. The bits of words taken out of his lectures by the press are so unrepresentative of what he actually says it is ridiculous. With Bill you have to hear at least three or four paragraphs to get the message, he speaks in essay format. The ideas are expanded in the text. His problem is not anger per se but frustration that he is not understood and has been maligned by the bits of words.

      The Jesse Jackson flap is case #1. If you heard the whole reporter back and forth on that it makes perfect sense and is not unlike ever discussion that has taken place on every news show regarding the african american vote going heavily for Obama.

      I realize in this campaign that all these new myths are adding to the repertoire like Al Gore invented the internet and I didn't inhale they are being created as the weeks go by. So, sad because it is all bullshit. Even the recent one that is being quoted as Bill saying rich people don't need a president is totally not what he said at all.

      poverty,poverty,poverty...the real enemy the democratic party should be fighting

      by Lisactal on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 11:10:05 PM PDT

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    •  liked Edwards, didn't see Romney (2+ / 0-)

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      I saw Edwards twice and his wife once. They're impressive people. I voted for him.

      The most complete write-up I did on Edwards is here.

      The relevant observation for this thread is that, like Dean, the "angry" label didn't really fit. It's weird that only Democrats are described as "angry". Republicans can foam at the mouth about gays or illegal immigrants or al Qaeda and nobody calls them "angry". But if a Democrat says we have to stand up to corporations, he's "angry".

      I didn't see Romney in person. My part of NH is in the Boston TV market, so I knew him as a governor and as a candidate for governor. I had real trouble with the complete transformation he went through to run for president. In Massachusetts, he ran as Mr. Fix-It, an experienced executive who knew how to make large organizations work. He fit into the social-liberal-economic-conservative mold of previous Republican governors like William Weld. Then he starts running for president and pandering for evangelical support. It was hard to believe anything that came out of his mouth after that.

  •  McCain, reverse ace, according to colleagues (0+ / 0-)

    McCain, reverse ace
    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    "Maverick?"
    That's the word one of McCain's racist minions used to describe a famous racist he wanted to promote.
    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    Best Diary of the Year? http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/23/03912/3990

    by LNK on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 09:02:53 PM PDT

  •  What I've done to combat (3+ / 0-)

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    the myth that Obama has no substance, is to print out a list of links to his web site and news stories about his accomplishments and how the constituents involved felt about him afterward. I keep copies and hand it to people if the subject comes up.

    I'm not sure what one can do about the "unlikable" Hillary myth. It's clear when you see her daughter with her, that the one woman who probably knows her best has great admiration for her.

    I have my disagreements with Senator Clinton, both on policy issues and on some fundamental things about being a feminist. But I don't see the need to vilify her.

    I wish we could get that out of the electoral process. Seems no matter how many centuries go by, we basically remain a gladiator society with the masses revved up to see a slaughter.

  •  About the "style vs. substance" narrative: (2+ / 0-)

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    Whenever that comes up, I link to "Team Obama Is Courting Everybody But the Press" by Howard Kurtz on the Washington Post. It's an interesting insight into news reporting as a storytelling business.

    One media narrative that seems to be taking root is of Obama as the candidate of lofty rhetoric and Clinton as the maven of pedestrian policy talk. At a rally at Furman University here Tuesday, Obama brought the audience to several peaks, raising his voice over the applause while describing how his days as a community organizer "taught me that ordinary people can do extraordinary things" and how "the dream that so many generations fought for feels like it is slipping away."

    But the address was saturated with proposals. Obama called for tax rebates; a one-time boost in Social Security checks; extending unemployment insurance; mortgage aid for those facing foreclosure; raising the minimum wage; protecting pensions; and college tuition credits. And that was before he got to his support for solar and wind power and biodiesel fuel. (There was no discussion of how he would pay for all this, other than to say his health-care plan would be partly financed by ending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans.)

    How, then, has Obama been saddled with an image of being long on inspiration and short on details? The answer is that journalists are not accustomed to covering a candidate who moves crowds the way Obama does, who uses speech cadences and rhythm like Martin Luther King Jr. without making his talk explicitly about race. Sen. Clinton already owned the policy-wonk slot, so by default, Obama was cast as the poetic one.

    I rather suspect that in order to report on the facts about the storytelling aspect of news reporting, reporters would need to turn it into a drama of "facts vs. drama" or something. Is it funny, or is it sad? Why not both!

    Doesn't John McCain look tired?

    by SciVo on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 09:36:52 PM PDT

    •  it's a common fallacy (2+ / 0-)

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      Austin in PA, SciVo

      that if you're good at one thing, you must be bad at something else. If you're pretty, you must be stupid. If your computer programs are good, your poetry must suck.

      With Obama, the public easily buys that if he's good at communicating a big vision, he must be bad at details. When people make the no-substance charge, they often cite his charisma as if it were supporting evidence. It's not.

  •  Excellent Diary (2+ / 0-)

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    Cyber Kat, cameoanne

    I always appreciate it when someone takes the time to blow away the smoke that envelopes most "news" coverage. Not That I watch much MSM coverage of anything.

    I had to snicker at your comment about McCain being "a politician" though. My Dad had a saying about any and all candidates for office - "The bad news is, no matter who wins, you still wind up with a politician."

    Tips and recs for helping us understand which of these politicians might be best prepared for restoring American right now.

    Meddle not in the affairs of dragons... for thou art crunchy and good with ketchup.

    by Pariah Dog on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 02:41:22 AM PDT

  •  Nice. (2+ / 0-)

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    cameoanne, SciVo

    Most of us don't get a chance to encounter the candidates personally.

    I had always heard that HRC was much warmer in private than she seemed in public appearances.  There's plenty to criticize Hillary for.  Some of the flat-out nasty attacks, like those on McCain, just make me cringe.

    Living in Illinois, I had also heard that Obama can be a little...um...persnickety.  A little redeeming, actually, to have a few chinks in the armor.  It'll be interesting to see how he holds up when the campaign broadens beyond the friendly confines of the Democratic party.

    As to McCain --

    I protested the Vietnam War when I was younger, but my ex-stepfather lost his foot there.  My mother volunteered at Walter Reed and we entertained quite a few shot-up vets at our house.  I've never forgotten the first time -- I was 14, and we had two guys over, seeming barely older than I was, who each had lost their legs.

    Those guys went through hell when they came back.  Alcoholism, broken marriages, spousal abuse, all kinds of problems.  Some of the things I read in McCain's past are nasty, but very familiar.  He seems to have come around and done all right for himself.

    Like HRC, plenty to criticize McCain for. However, he went through Hell for us and has done pretty well at putting himself back together.  Those folks who throw all the nasty-ass personal comments at him say a lot more about themselves than they do about him.  I doubt he cares.

    Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

    by dinotrac on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 04:32:58 AM PDT

  •  Excellent analysis (1+ / 0-)

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    cameoanne

    Sometimes it's easy to forget that we are being spoon fed a load of crap.  Thank you for your insightful perspective

    Think your candidate deserves unquestioned loyalty? Join the GOP

    by wils02 on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 05:17:37 AM PDT

  •  Tyranny of the Story (1+ / 0-)

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    SciVo

    The people who write the news are enamored of the story, the narrative.  They like to boil it down, as Homer did, into an epithet, a couple of words that explains who that candidate/person is.  "Cow-eyed Hera" is not very far from "cold, ambitious Hillary," "eloquent and empty Obama," or "straight talking John McCain."  Notice that the only complimentary epithet is reserved for a Republican and provided by his own campaign.

    Getting "journalists" to break out of this self-created trap is impossible.  Seeing beyond it is the job of engaged citizens, something the news business doesn't concern itself with.  To us, we are not citizens but news consumers, eyeballs and attention to be sold to advertisers at set rates.  

    Thanks for giving us your first-hand impressions of the candidates.  I tend to trust your judgment more than most of the reporters' I've met, and I've met quite a few.  

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    by gmoke on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 09:19:14 AM PDT

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